Group vs Individual

TheJason

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On this one forum, it was noted that liberals love the group and hate the individual, while conservatives do the opposite. OK, I sort of side with the conservative view more.
 

zoldos

Reality is just perception...
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#2
I prefer to look at it in the way that liberals favor change, while conservatives try to keep things the same. That makes me a liberal.
 

TheJason

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#3
I'm not sure if this logic always works, though. For instance, Asian societies favor the group, not the individual. For instance, China is 4 times the populations of the US with a much lower crime rate.
 

zoldos

Reality is just perception...
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#5
I'm not sure if this logic always works, though. For instance, Asian societies favor the group, not the individual. For instance, China is 4 times the populations of the US with a much lower crime rate.
Aren't punishments for crimes much higher tho in other countries? Shit, you can get away with just about anything in the US. Or commit murder and sit in a nice cushioned jail cell, get free room and board, and 3 hot meals a day. Fuck that.
 
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Aren't punishments for crimes much higher tho in other countries? Shit, you can get away with just about anything in the US. Or commit murder and sit in a nice cushioned jail cell, get free room and board, and 3 hot meals a day. Fuck that.

Of course, the world of the 'authentic' Christians is quite humane but it varies from place to place.......the Arabs are very different from the Jews and the Indians etc. are very different from the East Asians.
 

TheJason

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Aren't punishments for crimes much higher tho in other countries? Shit, you can get away with just about anything in the US. Or commit murder and sit in a nice cushioned jail cell, get free room and board, and 3 hot meals a day. Fuck that.
The food in jail still sucks, though. That's reason enough, alone, to stay out. Anyway, a really cushy, pampered jail would be one in Norway.
 

TheJason

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Yeah US jails, despite being way more comfortable than Indian ones - are still hell - with only maybe homelessness being worse (Well, that's debatable.). Fact remains that without real safety, good food, female companionship, for some, and a real break from daily monotony - a place is horrible - but then again, it's punishment.

Well, there was a guy calling for an abolition of the prison system in the US. He wants judicial corporal punishment instead.

This is a bit creepy but this is the way this guy thinks:

http://www.corrections.com/news/art...poral-punishment-is-better-than-incarceration

All slave systems in history whipped slaves, which proves effectiveness. Stable nations using judicial corporal punishment today enjoy significantly lower crime rates than countries that do not. Historically, corporal punishment is abolished only because it is an unpopular reminder of lower social status. For example, as St. Paul reminded a Roman soldier, Roman citizens could not be flogged. In most Western countries, it was curtailed or abolished soon after political equality of citizens was achieved: In France after the French Revolution, in Germany after the revolution of 1848, in the United States after the American Revolution and then more completely after the American Civil War. After Great Britain abolished it, her crime rates increased markedly.

Ex-slaves interviewed as part of the Federal Writers' Project from 1936 to 1938 confirmed the effectiveness of corporal punishment, especially to discipline young males. Some ex-slaves said corporal punishment taught them valuable lessons. Female ex-slaves in particular observed that it was needed and effective. While we often associate flogging with slavery in the United States, it was used effectively by General George Washington to discipline his mainly white troops. The Continental Congress initially authorized Washington to apply no more than 40 lashes, but in 1776, Washington sought and obtained authority from Congress to impose 100 lashes. Shortly before the battle of Yorktown, Washington sought authority to impose 500 lashes. Thomas Jefferson provided for "stripes" in a statute he drew for Virginia. In its early years, the United States did without large-scale penitentiaries.

When executed in public, corporal punishment provides a much better example than prison time. It deters crime effectively. Intense pain fills the offender with a desire to avoid pain in the future. The boredom of prison does not impart the same message. Physical punishment provides offenders with an immediate opportunity to change their behavior and join law-abiding society. Before incarcerated convicts can reform, they must first endure a clean version of hell that discourages their improvement and fails to impart the skills they will need when released.
 
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Yeah US jails, despite being way more comfortable than Indian ones - are still hell - with only maybe homelessness being worse (Well, that's debatable.). Fact remains that without real safety, good food, female companionship, for some, and a real break from daily monotony - a place is horrible - but then again, it's punishment.

Well, there was a guy calling for an abolition of the prison system in the US. He wants judicial corporal punishment instead.

This is a bit creepy but this is the way this guy thinks:

http://www.corrections.com/news/art...poral-punishment-is-better-than-incarceration

Well, you clearly fail to APPRECIATE the FACT that the PRISON time is a TERRIBLE WASTE of a LOT of TIME, in most of the cases. CORPORAL PUNISHMENT can surely be used to COMPLEMENT the PRISON time but will fail to accomplish much on its very OWN.
 

TheJason

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Well, you clearly fail to APPRECIATE the FACT that the PRISON time is a TERRIBLE WASTE of a LOT of TIME, in most of the cases. CORPORAL PUNISHMENT can surely be used to COMPLEMENT the PRISON time but will fail to accomplish much on its very OWN.
Why do you say that? I'd say a real beating would do a lot (not to sound like a perv, lol).

Also, prison would be a waste to those who hate reading - which, would be a lot of prisoners - cause they're the under-educated type. Well, prison would be a waste, nonetheless, in some form for anyone - but not always totally.